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EarthTalk: Do sunspots and solar wind contribute to global warming?from:EarthTalk category:Clubs and Organizations posted:February 3rd, 2009 Dear EarthTalk: Don’t some scientists point to sunspots and solar wind as having more impact on climate change than human industrial activity? -- D.N.
Solar wind, according to NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, consists of magnetized plasma flares and in some cases is linked to sunspots. It emanates from the sun and influences galactic rays that may in turn affect atmospheric phenomena on Earth, such as cloud cover. But scientists are the first to admit that they have a lot to learn about phenomena like sunspots and solar wind, some of which is visible to humans on Earth in the form of Aurora Borealis and other far flung interplanetary light shows. Some skeptics of human-induced climate change blame global warming on natural variations in the sun’s output due to sunspots and/or solar wind. They say it’s no coincidence that an increase in sunspot activity and a run-up of global temperatures on Earth are happening concurrently, and view regulation of carbon emissions as folly with negative ramifications for our economy and tried-and-true energy infrastructure. “[V]ariations in solar energy output have far more effect on Earth’s climate than soccer moms driving SUVs,” Southwestern Law School professor Joerg Knipprath, writes in his ‘Token Conservative’ blog. “A rational thinker would understand that, especially if he or she has some understanding of the limits of human influence. But the global warming boosters have this unbounded hubris that it is humans who control nature, and that human activity can terminally despoil the planet as well as cause its salvation.” Many climate scientists agree that sunspots and solar wind could be playing a role in climate change, but the vast majority view it as very minimal and attribute Earth’s warming primarily to emissions from industrial activity—and they have thousands of peer-reviewed studies available to back up that claim. Peter Foukal of the Massachusetts-based firm Heliophysics, Inc., who has tracked sunspot intensities from different spots around the globe dating back four centuries, also concludes that such solar disturbances have little or no impact on global warming. Nevertheless, he adds, most up-to-date climate models—including those used by the United Nations’ prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—incorporate the effects of the sun’s variable degree of brightness in their overall calculations. Ironically, the only way to really find out if phenomena like sunspots and solar wind are playing a larger role in climate change than most scientists now believe would be to significantly reduce our carbon emissions. Only in the absence of that potential driver will researchers be able to tell for sure how much impact natural influences have on the Earth’s climate. CONTACTS: NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, www.solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov; Token Conservative Blog, www.tokenconservative.com; IPCC, www.ipcc.ch. SEND YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS TO: EarthTalk, P.O. Box 5098, Westport, CT 06881; earthtalk@emagazine.com. Read past columns at: www.emagazine.com/earthtalk/archives.php. EarthTalk is now a book! Details and order information at: www.emagazine.com/earthtalkbook.
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The cleanest way to understand this whole farce of MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING is to look at ALL the other planets in the solar system. They have all shown an increase in temperatures and are now showing a decrease in temperatures just like Earth is. I dont think we have people in Hummers on those planets. So the increases and decreases are positively linked to the Sun. If you want the real facts and not fear mongering get the book "
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism)"
by Christopher Horner or "
Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed"
By the same author. Al Gore is a lair and is profiting from a blind public that will not look at facts. They just listen to sound bites that make them feel good. This needs to be looked at with all the facts not just one side.
Michael Meisman
Aerospace Engineer
posted:06/28/09Michael - Terrific summary. I normally don't reply to such Q and A articles, but the blatant ignorance of the Earth Talk folks is on clear display, as well as their arrogance as disregarding scientific skepticism so off handedly.
As a mechanical engineer, I have for long questioned the accuracy of the computer models, trying to model the earth's weather. If you're familiar with the fluid mechanics, you'd know that you would try to model a complex system such as the earths climate by looking at the critical primary and secondary inputs/outputs - and draw a control volume around them. That would lead to considering the sun (primary), and the earth and it's secondary and tertiary systems.
A key step in the whole process, therefore, would be being able to accurately model the primary input - that is, the behaviour of the sun.
Since most of the global warming cheerleaders discount the suns influence (see article) as as "maybe", then you know the rest of the science that follows is just garbage - opinion, hopes and dreams, etc.
Anyway, I had to chime in here. Now if anyone reading this has the time - please check out Matt Taibbi's article in Rolling Stone this week (I'll try to link). I wouldn't consider RS a terrific source of facts - but it does have a far reach and could get some people to wake up to what is going on. Basically, his article is an indictment of the US financial system, and Goldman Sach's role in all that - but what is key is the important connection made to the whole Cap and Trade plan, and what that is REALLY about. Take a look:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16763183/TaibbiGoldmanSachs
posted:06/29/09